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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
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Posted - 2013.10.02 14:53:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:
The sooner CCP introduces the game's basic content, the sooner we can rightly smack down people asking for respecs, and the sooner CCP can make balance changes within the scope of the entire game. The longer CCP takes to release this basic content, the more problems Dust will have.
OK, think of it this way, if you didn't know that there was "missing basic content" and it was introduced over the next 10 years will the community cry for respecs at each content release?
The way I see it, there is no missing content, the future content to be released is just that... future content!
If people are stressing about having to save SP for this content then thats their problem. What if we have all the racial suits then CCP decides to release a complete new set (pirate? factional?) people will then be creating more of these bullshit threads! |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:13:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:
the problem is, not only the BASIC content is missing but major changes happen every patch and we are still testing stuff. currently you are forced to take what you have now or you have endure horrible grind but no one goes for new stuff because we know the slow development process, bugfixes take several months and that is why everyone goes for AR 514, because it is known as working. beside that it invalidates your "decision" everytime the devs change something you have placed SP into, in short it is just a coin toss. how do you exactly decide a coin toss? shall I maybe list all stuff that took 3-5 months to fix or that got screwed with a patch?
This is the nature of an ever changing MMO, patches are released, **** happens, things get fixed/nerfed/buffed/balanced. We will always be testers of the systems CCP produces, having a few thousand players "testing" the game through normal play will always trump an internal test team.
MMO's are about the grind, 90% of the MMO's I've played have grind somewhere to gain the edge/advantage. Sure its "horrible" but thats part of the game mechanic and if you don't like it then this type of game is not for you.
Sure CCP have made a few faux pas along the way, but they have resolved the issues pretty quick due to feedback from the community. I personally think the game is in a great position at the moment.
As time goes by everything in the game will be tweaked, to say that its a coin toss for your SP is narrow minded, your supposed to adapt you know!
Just becuase your FotM was balanced doesn't mean the game suck now, just the fact that you were happy with your crutch and can't adapt.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:
@Rogue Saint: I can understand that point entirely, but the fact is that Dust doesn't exist in a new setting like other MMOs. Dust exists in the world of Eve, and Eve follows a very specific pattern. At time of release, Eve had ships such as [Race] [Class]. That's the most basic content. Eve set the precedent for Dust. T2, Navy, and Pirate are all specific roles that require some groundwork of [Race] [Class].
At the time of release EvE didn't have ALL the ships it has now! No T3's for example! The evolution of the game added what could be seen as "basic content" over the years. My point is that who knows what "basic content" is on CCP's list that we don't know about, whih will then make people QQ here for a respec jsut because they don't want to grind for it!
Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:It's fine if you see Dust as a happy-go-lucky-call-it-good release, but the fact is that you're wrong, and that very basic content is missing. You can say 'we have all the racial suits' but you're wrong. The suits follow the precedent set by Eve. The missing suits were shown at FanFest in Iceland. You're free to think this a bullshit thread, but I'll call you out for your reading comprehension skills. I was very clear with what constitutes 'basic content.' I was very clear that respecs should only be made available when CCP fixes their game by adding this missing content. I was very clear that CCP needs to get its act in gear and release this missing, basic content as soon as possible. I was very clear that them releasing this content ASAP would help us stamp out these people asking for respecs because their proto whatever got nerfed.
I never said we had all the racial suits, nor did I say that was a "happy-go-lucky-call-it-good", it has its problems, which will be fixed over the life time of the game.
I saw the suits at Fanfest, I was one of the bitter EvE vets proclaiming the down fall of New Eden with the introduction of DUST514 and bought a PS3 in the airport on the way back so I know both sides of the coin. Many of us are so tired of seeing respec threads and QQ all the time.
You spec into a racial suit (Amarr Heavy for ex.), the other racial variants come out, just grind for those too, because thats the whole point of the game. Each suit has its own niche, so eventually a heavy *should* have all the racial variants! |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:55:00 -
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:@Rogue Saint: I'm really trying to like you (I'm polite n stuff), but you're making it hard.
Of course I understand what you are saying, as I did the first time, of course there is missing stuff, but that doesn't mean a respec is warranted. What if CCP decide to never release the Caldari Scout, or Gallente Heavy? Are people gunna QQ here and say the game is "incomplete"?
Sure it would break the EvE style of [Race] [Class], but to base a respec on that seems redundant since you can grind for more SP and no suit / weapon etc. will ever be out of your reach if you put in the time. |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:40:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:not sure if troll or just a scrub... I dont remember MMOs coming without the basic content out of beta, those MMOs are a minority and they offer retraining  I also would like to see in which universe 3-5 months are "resolved the issues pretty quick". I can list alot of stuff that took months to fix and some stuff is still not resolved CCP is doing decisions right now and forcing players to endure it, thats all. I would also suggest you to wake up from your tunnelvision because this does not help the game at all. I also do not need to argue with such fanboyish reply, the playercount disagrees with you, per month the playercount at primetime decreases by ~500.
You have your ****-tinted glasses, I have my rose-tinted ... We will never agree, so.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:51:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:as mentioned ~500 players per month giving up dust due to the issues disagree with you, that is all I need to back up my claims... you just dont get that respec would speed up development till core stuff is fixed and basic content is done.
we are just beta testers and beta testing gets old pretty fast when changes take 3-5 months.
So why are you banging your head against a brick wall then? Don't play, become the 501'st player to leave. Go play an off the shelf title... The game will always be beta, once you can accept that you will find your inner peace.
A respec would speed up development? What are you smoking? |
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